Eitr Clarification

[Alex Efasteyo]

In the section on thralls and berserk, the RAW says that a dose of eitr grants the equivalent of 3 dot boon of the (official) Jotunblut Purview. The 3rd dot of Jotunblut basically says it gives 3 dots to be divided between strength and stamina. It states this works on humans and does not work on animals nor on any supernaturals (including Scions).

However, that's not exact, as additionally the RAW states eitr also lowers Intelligence by 1 (to a minimum of 1). There is also a difference in how loyalty works between eitr and Jotunblut, though that's not that important as for this specific case the giants (cyclopes) are all dead.

Now eitr from a deceased giant lasts only a scene, far less time than Jotunblut or eitr from a live giant. And the specific section on eitr as a trophy does not compare it to Jotunblut (the comparison is in the section on berserks and thralls).

So now my two questions...

1) Does eitr from deceased giant effect supernaturals? (The section on thralls implies no, but the section in the trophy implies yes, "Once consumed, this eitr confers three bonus dice that can be allocated to either Strength or Stamina as the player wishes for the duration of a scene." Emphasis is mine.)

2) Does this bonus allow an attribute to temporarily exceed it's maximum value. For instance, Alex has Strength 5 and Stamina 3, currently the maximum for his attributes is 5. So if Alex could drink this, would he at best get 2 points to Stamina? Or would it allow his strength to go to 8, if that is what I chose? (Note, this question applies not just to Scions, as a strong and hardy mortal could easily have Strength 4 and Stamina 4, and so have the same problem.)

[griffinguy24]

Shit, I forgot that eitr needs modification since we're not using the RAW, sucky Jotunblut, but instead Brent's Jotunblut purview as seen in the House Rules forum.

So...

1) NO. Eitr can only effect mortals who lack a Legend score. Humans and animals can be effected, but no supernaturals.

2) YES. If the mortal that drinks eitr has stats at or near the maximum, eitr allows them to surpass it.

Eitr also confers, as in Brent's Power In the Blood (Jotunblut 2), an extra -0 health level and dots of virtues. In the Aesir Boon, it confers a dot of Courage and a dot of Loyalty. For the trophy-eitr, it grants two divine virtues and two dark virtues for the Scene (Taking five doses of eitr makes those dots permanent).

The two dark virtues are always Rapacity and Zealotry. The two divine virtues are Courage and Loyalty, or the closest equivalents. For example, if Lionel were to use the eitr, he lacks both Courage and Loyalty, they would correspond to Duty and Valor, the two Annunaki virtues closest (Duty for Loyalty, Valor for Courage). When Alex uses them, it would grant Valor and Vengeance (Valor for Loyalty and Vengeance for Courage). If Jahiera used it, it would grant Conviction and Piety (Conviction for Courage, Piety for Loyalty).

[Alex Efasteyo]

Jan 26, 2011 0:05:51 GMT -5 griffinguy24 said:

Shit, I forgot that eitr needs modification since we're not using the RAW, sucky Jotunblut, but instead Brent's Jotunblut purview as seen in the House Rules forum.

No problem, after all, you don't have the Perfect Memory Knack. ;-)

Jan 26, 2011 0:05:51 GMT -5 griffinguy24 said:

1) NO. Eitr can only effect mortals who lack a Legend score. Humans and animals can be effected, but no supernaturals.

2) YES. If the mortal that drinks eitr has stats at or near the maximum, eitr allows them to surpass it.

Eitr also confers, as in Brent's Power In the Blood (Jotunblut 2), an extra -0 health level and dots of virtues. In the Aesir Boon, it confers a dot of Courage and a dot of Loyalty. For the trophy-eitr, it grants two divine virtues and two dark virtues for the Scene (Taking five doses of eitr makes those dots permanent).

The two dark virtues are always Rapacity and Zealotry. The two divine virtues are Courage and Loyalty, or the closest equivalents. For example, if Lionel were to use the eitr, he lacks both Courage and Loyalty, they would correspond to Duty and Valor, the two Annunaki virtues closest (Duty for Loyalty, Valor for Courage). When Alex uses them, it would grant Valor and Vengeance (Valor for Loyalty and Vengeance for Courage). If Jahiera used it, it would grant Conviction and Piety (Conviction for Courage, Piety for Loyalty).

Well, you answered my questions, thanks. :-) But now I'm a bit confused with other things, so please bear with me here. As the examples used were all Scions, does that mean that while the Strength/Stamina bonus does not apply to supernaturals, the Virtues do? And if so, what about the extra 0 dot health level?

And just to make sure we're on the same page with this, the permanent change to Virtues would only apply to mortals, right? Also, what about the extra 0 health level and extra Strength/Stamina - can that also be made permanent with five doses (like the 7 doses in 7 days mentioned under Cyclops to change a person to a mini cyclops, so to speak)?