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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 6, 2011 12:10:10 GMT -5
After doing a bit of research and more thinking, Alex texts Gabriella.
"I had more ideas about feeding the rune,but none were appealing-even after more thought they're not.But I think U should know them.Do U prefer I email details or meet to discuss?"
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Post by Gabriella Velas on Feb 6, 2011 12:14:10 GMT -5
"Got ahead and send them and we can discuss when I get back. Thanks a lot Alex, I don't know what I would do without you guys."
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 6, 2011 12:16:37 GMT -5
"I'd say U R welcome,except UR thnx was b4 knowing my ideas"
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 6, 2011 12:46:05 GMT -5
[[The following is an email to Gabriella as mentioned above]]
Hey Gabby,
As I said, none of these ideas are particularly appealing to me, and I haven't figured out a way yet to make them appealing. But maybe you or all of us together will have more luck. Or maybe you'll just have to sort of use one as is.
The best idea I had, at least IMO, was a Magic spell. Considering the few things I've learned so far about Magic, it seems feasible to create or learn a simple spell to take 'Heart's Blood' from a (willing?) donor and leave the donor unharmed - or at worst with a minor wound. I like this idea as it seems like part of a good, practical long term solution. The downside here obviously is we need create or find such a spell, then learn it so as to be able to use it for you. (Though of course if you learned Magic, that would be even better.) So unfortunately this seems like a good idea to keep in the back of your thoughts, but of no immediate use.
Next up, there is a possibility of taking 'Heart's Blood' and not harming the donor. On TV or at the movies, you may have seen occasions where people were given intracardiac injections of epinephrine. A trained person using a small gauge needle is unlikely to cause any harm in doing this. So I was thinking of reversing the process and drawing blood out instead. However, I have no way of estimating the risk involved, though I would expect various Health Boons could reduce the risk. And your own oracular powers might give you a clue as well.
Naturally enough, you can also get 'Heart's Blood' by killing people, and, well, while you may not agree with me, I do think some people deserve killing. So we could try to obtain killers, rapists, kidnappers, etc. You could then sacrifice them and take their blood. Also, depending on the freshness requirement, a single sacrifice might well provide enough blood for several tracena. There's also a large supply of such potential sacrifices in prisons all over the place - though obtaining these people could obviously be complicated. And tracking down those not in jail could also be a full time job - though perhaps you could hire a discreet detective agency.
My final thought on this (so far), is that depending on how hard we need to avoid this bad stuff from happening, is that you find and sacrifice people. People that wouldn't be missed. But I really hope you don't go there and I don't want to be a part of anything like that. No doubt you already thought of this too, but I'd be remiss if I didn't say that it is an option - even if a really, really lousy option.
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 6, 2011 13:12:55 GMT -5
[[Follow up email, sent shortly after the first]]
I just realized you could act opportunistically as well. People die all the time. If you're there at the right time and place (Prophecy?), perhaps you could slip in and get the blood you need. A hospital might be a good place for this as a lot of people die there. Perhaps a little bribery, stealth abilities, or Scion social fu/mind tricks might get you what you need.
Or, again depending on freshness requirements, perhaps you could just go to a morgue and extract the blood you need from the freshest corpse. If this would works, it seems like it could be one of the best solutions for you.
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 6, 2011 13:49:35 GMT -5
[[Another follow up email, this one CC'ed to Dave]]
I may have figured out a workable solution for you - one that won't have you leaving dead bodies behind. Dave has followers, human followers, ones that he can restore even if killed. We could try a careful extraction of their blood with a narrow gauge spinal needle. If something went wrong, Dave could restore them. Obviously you'd need to get Dave's cooperation here, but as you may have noticed I copied this email to him so that the two of you can discuss it further.
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Post by davejonesdan on Feb 6, 2011 16:13:59 GMT -5
[[Another follow up email, this one CC'ed to Dave]] I may have figured out a workable solution for you - one that won't have you leaving dead bodies behind. Dave has followers, human followers, ones that he can restore even if killed. We could try a careful extraction of their blood with a narrow gauge spinal needle. If something went wrong, Dave could restore them. Obviously you'd need to get Dave's cooperation here, but as you may have noticed I copied this email to him so that the two of you can discuss it further. WHAT- You think I'm killing the guys, they are my buddies, my mates, the one set of people (other than you lot) that have been there for me, and you want to kill them well you have to go through me first |
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Post by griffinguy24 on Feb 6, 2011 17:02:06 GMT -5
[[Dave, if you're low, restore 1 Willpower for Loyalty]]
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 6, 2011 18:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by davejonesdan on Feb 7, 2011 3:28:46 GMT -5
[[Dave, if you're low, restore 1 Willpower for Loyalty]] [[sweet as! darn I'm not though]] If you think that this would work with out a great risk of killing them, then thats fine, I'll talk to them, possibly get jez up here and talk him though the risks however if this is the case I'd still like to give it a go first, before I let Gabby 'lose' on my bikers, even if you can bring them back and you can't me, I'm not making them do anything I wouldn't do, though might be a good idea for Liam or Dr lord to have a look at my wounds first, there has got to be an easer way to feed my bikers than this every month |
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Post by Gabriella Velas on Feb 7, 2011 15:56:54 GMT -5
To both:
Can be taken from arterial vein, but still risky. Will find Liam and ask his help. Must be done once every sacred 13 day cycle, I have 6 days including today to do this one. Bad stuff unknown but will be bad. Running out of time.
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 11, 2011 14:18:14 GMT -5
[[Addressed to both Gabby and Dave]] Well, I didn't find any hard numbers for this, and what's risky or not is relevant. I found some information online from a couple of studies that you can check yourselves: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7411763eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/11/3/269.full.pdfThe former is quite short, but also with little detail. The latter is lengthy and includes a lot of technical information that, unfortunately, doesn't seem relevant. [[Note, these are real articles.]] Assuming the studies are not fraudulent, they would imply that there is probably less than a 1 in 500 chance of an intracardiac injection causing death when the injection is done by a properly trained, skilled person. There is a lot of mention of various problems, but none seemed attributable to the injection. These were patients suffering heart attacks, so CPR and defibrillation were also likely used, plus there is whatever problems they had that caused their heart of fail in the first place. So with a skilled person attempting to withdraw the blood, and assuming proper equipment and a sterile setting, etc. - it seems unlikely that this would cause a problem that could not be handled with something like the Heal/Infect Boon. As for how risky that is, well, I'll leave that up to each of you to decide. Note to Dave: I noticed the gash on your arm earlier, so I assume you cut yourself to drain blood in order to use Jotunblut. Unless there is some special magic in the act of cutting, I don't see any reason why you couldn't withdraw the blood from yourself in a way similar to how it's done at a blood bank. It should be easy to get the equipment, and Dr. Lord could certainly train you in this procedure. |
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Post by davejonesdan on Feb 11, 2011 15:32:50 GMT -5
[[Addressed to both Gabby and Dave]] Note to Dave: I noticed the gash on your arm earlier, so I assume you cut yourself to drain blood in order to use Jotunblut. Unless there is some special magic in the act of cutting, I don't see any reason why you couldn't withdraw the blood from yourself in a way similar to how it's done at a blood bank. It should be easy to get the equipment, and Dr. Lord could certainly train you in this procedure. your correct, yes I was doing it for the guys, though the ammount of blood needed drains me more than anything- wish I had my brewing kit would make things easy |
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Post by Gabriella Velas on Feb 11, 2011 15:36:41 GMT -5
My problem is solved thanks to Liam. Thanks for the ideas and help guys, I really appreciate the support.
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 11, 2011 20:28:49 GMT -5
[[Addressed to both Gabby and Dave]] Note to Dave: I noticed the gash on your arm earlier, so I assume you cut yourself to drain blood in order to use Jotunblut. Unless there is some special magic in the act of cutting, I don't see any reason why you couldn't withdraw the blood from yourself in a way similar to how it's done at a blood bank. It should be easy to get the equipment, and Dr. Lord could certainly train you in this procedure. your correct, yes I was doing it for the guys, though the ammount of blood needed drains me more than anything- wish I had my brewing kit would make things easy [ ] |
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 11, 2011 20:32:11 GMT -5
My problem is solved thanks to Liam. Thanks for the ideas and help guys, I really appreciate the support. [ ] |
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Post by davejonesdan on Feb 12, 2011 2:45:39 GMT -5
your correct, yes I was doing it for the guys, though the ammount of blood needed drains me more than anything- wish I had my brewing kit would make things easy [ ]are you giving me an excuess to eat cookies- wow alex best doctor!! erm no I've not thought about it, though it might be a good idea |
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Post by Alex Efasteyo on Feb 12, 2011 21:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by davejonesdan on Feb 13, 2011 2:48:51 GMT -5
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